Porn Degrades Women?

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For the record, Lib Porn supports most feminists. However, feminists are women, and women are humans, and therefore feminist women can be as thunderously idiotic as anyone else. Some of their arguments against pornography are preposterous. While we agree that some female (and male) adult performers are exploited, most of the adult industry is just fine. Anyway….

Let us, for the next few minutes, indulge in that feminist adage that pornography demeans women. Certain feminists, you know, the ones who are so crazy that they scream that porn is rape or, at best, prostitution. The depiction of women in pornography, according to these women, reinforces the ideas that men have about females being subservient, passive, and sexual playthings. We at Liberating Porn understand that certain men do indeed have those ideas, and we hope they burn in hell. However, we believe that there are institutions in our society that do a lot more to add to that twisted view of women than porn has ever contributed, such as, hmm, I dunno…organized religion, perhaps? But for this article I’m not going to delve into the Lib Porn’s view of women in adult entertainment. Instead, let’s pretend that the feminist arguments about pornography are one hundred percent accurate and women are oppressed because dudes like to crank one out to a good facial scene. Even if we take this position, there is still a far greater evil, in regards to modern culture (which are, we believe, extensions of sexism born out of male-dominated religion) that reinforces certain gender biases. This great evil is advertising.

Okay, allow me to digress for just a moment. Since we’re assuming the feminist position that pornography is a form of female oppression, we’ll also assume the Lib Porn position that a good chunk of Americans are thunderously idiotic. America is the king of the advertisement, the lush and colorful ads that adorn every facet of our society, even the space under iced tea bottlecaps, for Christ’s sake. And Americans buy into advertisements. There wouldn’t be such a monstrously huge advertising industry if stupid people weren’t swayed by billboards, commercials, and subliminal messages that are constantly fed to us through the uncountable hidden speakers secretly placed around the nation (probably).

Pornography plays to our sexual daydreams. A human being is, by the order of nature (or a magical superhero in the clouds, according to some), also a sexual being. That’s why we masturbate, have wet dreams, and sometimes engage in questionable acts with farm animals. Porn, like any other form of entertainment, plays to a specific hunger. For example, what guy wouldn’t want to be Bruce Willis in Die Hard? Shit, if it didn’t include a long stay in prison, I would love to totally throw an Eastern European gangster off of a tall building, and then crash through a window while tied to a fire hose. Just as Die Hard plays to a male fantasy of being Bruce Willis, porn plays to our fantasies of sex. Heterosexual men want to fuck hot women. And yes, perhaps a few of those men who watch porn then fool themselves into thinking that women in real life will act like a porn actress, but it’s not accurate to say this twisted idea is widespread among men, because if that was the case Die Hard might have a similar effect and there’d be a rash of delusional men trying to throw innocent Eastern Europeans off the top of very tall buildings.

Advertising, however, pretends that it isn’t playing to our fantasies. Everybody knows that Die Hard is a work of fiction and, we presume, knows that Debbie Does Dallas is also fictional. An ad for a new car, however, will show some hunky dude breaking the speed of sound with a really hot girl in the passenger seat who looks as though she’s about two seconds away from gobbling up the dude’s manhood. Although such an ad is purely a work of fiction, the advertiser doesn’t portray it as such, and consequently a bunch of middle age fartbags on boner pills rush to the dealership to buy that car.

I recently saw an ad in a men’s magazine for a new line of cologne. The ad featured a guy being sexed up buy several hot Spanish women. This caught my attention, not only because I totally dig Puerto Rican girls, but because I wore that cologne once and the only action I saw was from a rather plump drunk girl who wasn’t even remotely Puerto Rican.

The tool of misleading advertisements inflicts at least twice as much damage as the supposed destructive nature of pornography. First of all, small minded men are duped into believing that girls will give it up because he owns a nice car, or some magical elixer that seduces Spanish women. So not only are these sexualized ads play on the fantasies of under-sexed jackasses, but they also portray women as materialistic cock hounds who are willing to drop their pants for a guy with a bunch of nice shit.

I’d like to believe that sexual prowess, and thus a person’s appeal to the opposite sex, is somewhat of a meritocracy. Obviously, physical attractiveness is a thing of nature, but a person who does a super awesome job of rocking their partner’s booty in the bedroom has to learn that skill. Nowhere in any aspect of the legitimate (I repeat, legitimate) adult industry is there an advertisement that says, “Get a woman in front of your camera and you’ll be able to fuck like a champ.” No, in porn, those on camera are shown to be good in the sack. Even the super hunk mailman who nailed the equally super hot lonely housewife in that last DVD you bought could lay the pipe with skill. Porn, again, shows us a fantasy of what we would like to experience if our sexuality were on that same level. Porn is entertainment and, unlike the advertisements that dominate our consumer culture, not a promise.

Even if pornography can have a negative effects on the standing of women in the minds of certain idiots, the marketing sector of our consumer culture is, in contrast, a fucking juggernaut of degradation. Ads for alcohol are the worst of these. Flip through a men’s magazine and you’ll doubtlessly find ads for beer or liquor, in which the bottle in question is accompanied by a model. The ad isn’t shown as a work of fiction or entertainment. Instead, it’s a promise by the advertisers that, yes, if you and a pretty woman drink this liquor, she’ll most definitely gobble up your balls. It gives me a headache when I think that so much energy is waisted attacking pornography when institutions like religion and the advertising industry do exponentially more harm. Then again, super pissed off dumb people really like to look for easy targets. And porn, unfortunately, is a very easy target indeed.

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arvan's picture

Thank you so much for posting here.

The mainstream media / organizational messages you cite are far more invasive and damaging than anything porn can be and does do.

I have a request, though.  You used the term 'retarded' a couple times and I think that term is ableist.  We have a lot of people here who identify in terms of disability.  I think that the use of the term in this context, distracts from your very solid points.  So, I wonder if you could replace that word with something else.

I totally get where you are going in defining people's hypocrisy and delusion.  No doubt.  I also have been completely guilty of using that same term in my own life.  Heck, I grew up using it. 

Recently, I have read some dynamite thoughts (here and here) on the experience of ableism and I have been tripping over my own expression of it.

I considered sending this as an email, for my concerns about seeming confrontational or inconsiderate or even egotistical.  However, I really see value in having this request out in the open.  One thing I am very keen on for this site is my belief that we can all benefit each other as a community and as individuals by learning and practicing these kind of conversations - in plain sight.

So, I'm not judging you or your work.  I am letting you know the impact of a word you chose and am asking you to consider it for yourself - because I think you care enough about your message and how it impacts people.

Take a look and let me know what you think. 

-arvan

As always, Arvan, thanks for

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As always, Arvan, thanks for your comments.  We will take greater care in espousing our views without using ableist terms.  At LibPorn we tend to use dick, fart, and other crude language/jokes to offset any underlying seriousness of whatever topic we speak about.  Our intent was never to offend or demean individuals with disabilities.

Unfortunately, until your comment I haven’t given ableist terms a second thought.  These negative words are so ingrained in our culture that it will take considerable and thoughtful effort to snuff these habits out.  That's not an excuse but a commentary on how far we have to go.  We will use other words in lieu of that word (and similar words) from this point forward. 

And I’m glad you didn’t send an email.  As you said, having this request out in the open is important – and it’s the best way to learn from each other. Honest, respectful, and open dialogue benefits everyone.

We love the site! Keep it up.

Thank you for participating in plain sight

arvan's picture

I had a fairly detailed conversation with several people this evening on twitter about this post.  I am going to post about it in detail myself after I finish my duties as a host to family and friends tomorrow afternoon.

I genuinely appreciate your willingness to hear the impact and adapt and own your actions / words. 

In my review with people on twitter this evening, they pointed out some things other than ableism that the post touched on.  I'll briefly offer them up for you to address as well.  Please look at them for alternative ways to language your point.

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- This passage uses language that I find to devalue people based on size and to objectify women based on race.  I think you can illustrate that the fantasy spun by the advertisement in no way materialized, but in this language it reinforces sexism & sizeism.

This caught my attention, not only because I totally dig Puerto Rican girls, but because I wore that cologne once and the only action I saw was from a rather plump drunk girl who wasn’t even remotely Puerto Rican.

- These terms objectify and classify women and are offensive.  Moreover, they completely distract from your conversation about objectification and the hypocrisy of vilifying porn while embracing or ignoring advertising.

a pretty broad

according to these chicks

Thank you for the willingness to grow in plain sight as I like to call it sometimes.

-arvan

 

Thanks for the follow-up. We

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Thanks for the follow-up. We appreciate the concerns, truly. Know that any further diary entries we post on SexGenderBody will not be as aggressive and potentially sensitive to those who follow and enjoy what SexGenderBody aims to be: "a direct, honest and respectful conversation about sex, gender & body."

Perhaps some of our language is objectionable and even disrespectful. But our writings are intended to be polemic and we intentionally use humor as a way to illustrate our viewpoint in an attempt to reach those who may not be as willing to participate in a direct, honest and respectful conversation about sex, gender & body. However, we like to think our writing also appeals to intelligent, discerning individuals who can parse the lewd from the meaningful.

Apologies to anyone that may have been hurt by the “offending post.” This was not our intent. Yet, as the saying goes, the road the hell is paved with good intentions.

As stated earlier, future diary posts on SexGenderBody will be written for the audience as interpreted and understood by today's exchange through the comments and twitter.

We consider SexBodyGender to be a valuable and necessary source for open dialogue about sexuality and all that it entails. We hope to continue to be apart of it.

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